buprenorphine vs fentanyl

Thanks Jaybay! I did know about the actions and uses of buprenorphine and .... and the fact that Suboxone has the additional naloxone component to prevent injection abuse. I didn't know that Fentanyl could "knock bupe right off its pins." You're right, there must be more but I can't even find at you are saying about Fentanyl on line.

Even if you did wait 24-48 hours, the problem is that your tolerance is much higher than the amount of opioid stimulation produced by Suboxone and buprenorphine. At the ceiling effect level, buprenorphine has the opioid effect of about 60 mg of oxycodone—much less than what you got from the oxycodone and fentanyl combined that you were taking. All is not lost. You MUST keep taking the Suboxone; over 4-6 days, your tolerance will come down and you will feel better.

Suboxone is the brand name for a medication consisting of buprenorphine and naloxone. Buprenorphine is a thebaine derivative with powerful analgesia approximately 20-40x more potent than morphine. Buprenorphine is a partial agonist and antagonist of the opioid receptors in the central nervous system which means that when its molecule binds to a receptor, it will transduce only a partial response in contrast to a full agonist such as morphine.

The problem with buprenorphine, whether it's pure, in suboxone, or whatever, is that it's only a PARTIAL opoid agonist. That means that it is limited in its effect. Based on the years of research they did with the stuf before it got approvedf, if you're using over 40mg of methadone, it's real unlikely that any ampunt of buprenorphine is going to keep you out of withdrawal.

I understand how frustrated you are being in pain all the time. I'm on Fentanyl 50mcg patches they help but like you, when my leg pain begins it doesn't completely help and I have to take muscle relaxers and percocet to manage the pain. I began taking the new Fibromyalgia medicine Savella last night. I'm hoping that it will help. I'm terrified of all the side effects but I have to try it for the sake of the pain.

Will I just suffer? How long after taking suboxone can you take an opiot agonist (percocet, fentanyl morphine or whatever)?

Buprenorphine, marketed under the brand name Suboxone, was developed as a safer alternative for treating people addicted to heroin and painkillers compared to methadone. It was also designed to be resistant to abuse, but it hasn't turned out that way.

Hi julie1224, I'm so glad that your Doctor took the x-rays but I know that you are frustrated that they didn't find an answer to your problems. :( I don't have any information about a "new" patch that is similar to Vicodin that is out. I couldn't find anything when I googled it. You might call your Pharmacist and ask him/her about it as they are up-to-date on every new med that is coming out. Did your doctor tell you what the name of the "new" patch is?

I don't know where you get the information that Buprenorphine doesn't work for pain, but I'm afraid that isn't true. In fact, the first mainstream use for Buprenorphine was in labor delivery. It's an extremely potent analgesic and is much stronger milligram for milligram than morphine. Also, ANY doctor can prescribe Suboxone OR Subutex for pain, not just those that have special opiate dependence DEA numbers. For many people, Buprenorphine provide substantial pain relief.

Anagnostou and colleagues evaluate HCV treatment outcomes among IV drug users receiving opioid substitution treatment with methadone or buprenorphine at 4 government-funded clinics between 2002 and 2008. The analysis involved 93 IV drug users with HCV infection who started combination treatment with pegylated interferon alfa-2a or -2b and ribavirin while on methadone or buprenorphine. Forty-six (48.4%) patients were on methadone, and 49 (51.6%) were on buprenorphine. Of the total, 77 (82.

Eagle is correct, Cathy-- buprenorphine, Suboxone, and Subutex are all essentially identical. Buprenorphine has been around for 30 years; it used to be sold under the brand 'temgesic' in liquid form before being made as Suboxone, which is easier to dose. Buprenorphine is used for pain, mostly in Europe-- a skin patch in the UK called 'buTrans' releases 5-20 micrograms of bupe per hour through the skin. Six years ago, in 2003, Suboxone became available in the US.

Fentanyl is a stonger form of an opioid. Opiate and opioid mean the same thing: Opiate is an adjective while opioid is a noun. Percocet is an opioid as is fentanyl. They are synthetic which means they are man made and not derived from a plant. Good job on getting off the Percocet!

I have had great sucess with the Fentanyl Patch. I have used it for about a year now and it gives me around the clock relief for 48-72 hrs. You may want to do some research on the Patch or chat with your Doctor about it. I also take Oxycodone for breakthrough. Give it some thought.

Oxycodone is not something recommended for cats that I know of, there are better opiates that are better tolerated especially for cats, the one I know is prescribed most often is Buprenorphine(buprenex). Please be sure to discuss this drug and the dosage with your Vet. http://www.veterinarypartner.com/Content.plx?

For the past year I have been taking 75 mcg fentanyl patches every three days.I need and want to stop and get back to living a clean FUN life.I don't get them by prescription so I can not goto a dr to taper off.I have tried on my own and it was total HELL! The thought of those feelings again scares me to death.I read about Suboxone and wonder if someone here can tell me how it worked for them.Also money wise how much did it run?

Hi Sharonanne: Sorry to hear of the dilemma with your Fentanyl Patch. Thank goodness you're not on a really high dose. Fentanyl is one, if not the hardest opiate to come off of so you're really going to have to be prepared. Your Doctor will most likely know what's best for your system to make it as comfortable as possible. I'm guessing that he thinks you don't need CP Pain Therapy anymore?? Or is it you that doesn't need the help??

The flip side of all of this is that tolerance reaches a maximum at about 4 mg of buprenorphine, and further increase in dose of buprenorphine does not cause substantial increase in tolerance. Tolerance and withdrawal are two sides of the same coin; the lack of withdrawal going from 32 to 8 mg of buprenorphine is consistent with no significant change in tolerance across that range. So in my opinion, being on 32 vs 4 mg of Suboxone doesn't raise your tolerance.

They must go through a short course to become a Certified Buprenorphine Provider. Upon completing they are issued a seperate DEA # that allows them to prescribe sub. This number is only used in the writing of buprenorphine scripts. Upon completion, for their first year I believe they can only have a load of 30 patients that they can prescribe to. After that year is up, they can prescribe up to 100 patients. This is why Suboxone clinics/docs have such long waiting lists.

buprenorphine has a potency akin to that of fentanyl. A dose of 5-10 MICROGRAMS is a potent analgesic. A quarter of one tablet of Suboxone contains 2 mg of buprenorphine, or 2000 MICROGRAMS!! So any dose of Suboxone is 'overkill'-- even a sliver of a tablet contains an amount of buprenorphine that is quite high, and possibly over the 'ceiling dose'. Stopping 16 mg Suboxone is like abruptly stopping 30 mg of methadone...

Okay, I'll just go ahead and ask...even though I p.m.d flmagi about sub and she answered me so eloquently (thanks magi)I shouldn't have a question but this is one I don't get. I am ignorant. Yep, that's me. But I have to ask; What's the difference? Take Sub or take Vic's? What's the difference? I don't get it....is the difference you take just one Sub vs 10 vic's in a day? One drug for another...? My name is Newgirl and I'm ignorant...

Some opiates cause histamine release-- particularly morphine-- that can cause itching and a rash. Some high-potency synthetic opiates--namely fentanyl and sufentanil-- cause facial itching, particularly around and inside the nose. Some medications can cause a feeling of extreme restless called 'akathesia' that sometimes presents as intense itchiness over the body, especially the legs.

by that definition, but fentanyl and buprenorphine are not. It does have activity at the mu opiate receptor, but the activity is very different from that of agonists like methadone, oxycodone, or fentanyl. Buprenorphine is a partial agonist, which causes tolerance that is static, rather than the ever-increasing tolerance caused by agonists. It also has a 'ceiling' to it's agonist effect.

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