Armour thyroid vs nature throid

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On the conversion chart on the natur-throid site you would take the same as the armour. I wanted to know if anyone is taking the natur-throid instead of the armour and how they are doing on it? Thanks for any input.
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Was taking a generic dessicated Thyroid, now switching to Nature Throid. This generic was 65 mg per grain like Nature Throid, both have the same T4 and T3 amount per grain as old Armour. The extra 5mg must be non-active fillers ect, means nothing really. For any of you that switched, did you take the same amount of grains per day if taken with water? I take 2.5 grains two days and 2 grains the other 5 day per week of the generic.
My daughter developed heart palps (PVC's) on Synthroid (diagnosed by a 20 day heart study with a holter moniter) She's been on original Nature-Throid (before reformulation) for 1 1/2 years now and no longer has them nor many other hypo. health issues that she had for years on Synthroid alone. Her freee t3 was very low while on Synthroid yet her t4 was very high when she began having the heart issue.
We have a ratio scale here in our Health Pages on the Armour ratios - vs- synthetics you can read. Usually someone that takes a desiccated thyroid at 90 mg and is about to change to syntheic will look at a dosage of T4 Synthroid at .112mcg and then add Cytomel T3 with the Synthroid at about 10mcg. That is pretty close to the ratios you are use to with Armour.
I have prescribed natural dessicated thyroid for your patient (Armour, Nature-Throid) because it contains both T4 and T3 (40mcg and 9mcg respectively per 60mg). This assures sufficient T3 levels and thyroid effects in the body. Since NDT has more T3 than the human thyroid gland produces, the well- replaced patient’s FT4 will be below the middle of its range, and the FT3 will be high “normal” or slightly high before the next AM dose.
Some of you may recall I am having issues on old marked Nature Throid. Three months ago I felt hypo when I changed to Nature Throid 2.5 grains per day from a generic Armour copy called TCL. Then I felt hyper, but no labs were taken at that time (mistake I know). So I lowered the dose to feel better. The problem is I keep lowering it and feel better now down to 1/4 grain this week! Something is way wrong. I get really hot when I try to increase it, I wonder if I'm alergic to it.
Are you on the original Nature-Throid or the new reformulated Nature-Throid? If it is scored down the middle (line for dividing) then it is the new formula. The t4 and t3 seem to be further apart in the ranges on the new formula for many, as was the case for people who were on the New Armour compaired to the original Armour.The binders and fillers in both of these brands of desiccated meds have been changed in similar ways it seems.
The grain formula is slightly higher than Armour is, measuring out a 65mgs per grain - vs - 60mg with Armour. Many , including me find that I need to take a tad more of Nature-throid ( even though it is higher in mg's) I moved up to 4.0 grains. That - DOES NOT mean you will need what I take - It tastes like c*** , but it's doing it's job far better than the new Armour was. It's all about YOU and YOUR thryoid!! Thyrolar is a synthetic for of a T3/T4 combo thyroid medication.
Armour is easier to get - so try this first. Nature Throid is also a US product. Like above, make sure your levels are high enough. Think of ERFA as your last resort. It is the best for me, but I tried it last. If Armour worked for me, I wouldnt have tried ERFA.
Personally - they have really hurt the superior preformance Armour had for decades with the Old formula and many patients have left Armour for another desiccated thyroid medication - Nature-throid. I went to NT after a spiral downwards effect with the new formula myself. Actually, I feel the best ever since the switch. For me - them switching their methods - pushed me into finding an even better outcome for my condition.
Some have mentioned having success with asking their pharmacist for names of doctors that prescribe Armour or Nature-throid. It seems that doctors willing to prescribe a natural T4/T3 med are more open to treating a patient's symptoms rather than TSH level. When you have a good candidate call the office and say that you are looking for a good thyroid doctor and would like to ask a nurse a few questions.
The reformulated armour works better than reformulated Nature Throid and ERFA works better than both of those. I've switched to ERFA now and loving it.
3) Natural Dessicated (pig thyroid) is the last step to try. Armour and Nature Throid brands were reformulated, they still work for some people and dont work for othere anymore. ERFA brand from Canada is like the origional Armour. If you follow these steps, within time you will find someway to feel better. It takes a L o n g time when changing meds. I did all the above over a course of 1 1/2 years, now on ERFA.
the ultimate criterion for dose adjustment must always be the clinical response of the patient. I have prescribed natural dessicated thyroid for your patient (Armour, Nature-Throid) because it contains both T4 and T3 (40mcg and 9mcg respectively per 60mg). This assures sufficient T3 levels and thyroid effects in the body.
Didn't you say that the ratio of Armour to nature-throid was different? Don't you need higher doseage of Nature-throid to match what you may have been taking for Armour? I noticed with the increase in Armour to 75mg that my arm muscles are sore as is my back. I desperately want to stay with Nature-throid. Thanks for your help.
Well good for you! You sound like an advertisement. And you don't have to yell! Not if a vegetarian. Armour is harder to regulate in some patients and contains a much higher T3/T4 ratio than most humans need, after all, its a pigs thyroid. For many people the slight increase is fine, but some people can have problems When starting Armour it is possible to have a few good weeks of feel good, then then for it to seem to wear off.
I found a new doctor, a family practice MD, highly recommended by my compounding pharmacist who is not afraid to deal with her conversion issues head on, and can think beyond the synthroid box! She has been on Armour thyroid for 6 weeks now, and OH THE DIFFERENCE in her attitude, energy level, skin, hair, happiness, body temp., hunger, bloating,constipation, and her ability to function in the morning with a smile! The heart palps are still an issue, but don't seem to happen as often!
I'm confused by your saying that my TSH is perfect and then later saying it should be higher. Nature-throid is just like Armour; it's dessicated vs. synthetic. Natur-throid has an anti-allergen in it, and no corn starch, which Armour uses as a sweetener. As for my labs, you're right, I'll have to get the ranges; I know that now. Thank you for your interest.
Should I continue the levothyroxine and wait to start Nature-throid or start taking the Armour now and transition to Nature-throid? I am concerned that due to the different fillers in Armour and Nature-throid, that the transition may be harder than expected because of the difficulty with absorption of the new Armour (if that’s what I was given). The Armour I have is a white pill, with an “A” on it, enclosing a mortar and pestle. The letters “TE” are under the “A”.
I am not starting the nature throid until I get adrenals tested. The nature throid says not to take it if you have adrenal insufficiency. I am taking 5 mcg of the generic cytomel twice a day. HOWEVER, since I have been taking it, only 4 doses now, my pain in joints is getting worse.. Not sure I understand this. or if this is the cause.. I feel a little better, but the pain is still there and pretty bad.. I spent the last two days in bed.. literally..
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The number one difference you'll find is that Armour, Nature-Throid, and West-Throid all have both T4 and T3 hormones in them. Whereas synthetic replacement has only T4. http://www.rxlist.com/cgi/generic/armourthyroid.htm Armour contains both T4 and T3. http://www.rxlist.com/cgi/generic/liothyronine.htm Cytomel contains only T3. http://www.rxlist.com/cgi/generic/synthroid.htm Synthroid contains only T4.
By natural thyroid supplements, are you talking about the desiccated type sold as non-prescription. If so, I would instead stick with Armour, or its equivalent, Nature-throid, or Wes-throid. A one grain tablet of Armour is 60 mg, and it is roughly the equivalent of 75 mcg of a T4 med. The one grain tablet contains about 38 mcg of T4 and 9 mcg of T3. Since T3 is about 4 times as effective as T4, that is how you get to approx. 75 mcg of T4 meds.
Deb, this is copied from my post in Magies Nature Throid thread. Dropped Nature Throid, three days ago only and feel better already, hope it continues. Sleep, not wired, less muscle tightness, can breath. I think it was NT doing this to me. Doc wont just do a CT or MRI says if it was pituitary other signs would be there. So hope he is correct. I will see him Friday. On my super low labs, it appeared to make the FT4 and FT3 way more separated in their ranges compared to other natural brands.
The ultimate criterion for dose adjustment must always be the clinical response. I have prescribed natural dessicated thyroid for your patient (Armour or Nature-Throid). These contain T4 and T3 (40mcg and 9mcg respectively per 60mg). They are more effective than T4 therapy for most patients.
OK can yall help me settle this debate in my mind. I will be starting thyroid soon. I have both nature-throid 1/4 grain now AND Erfra 1/2 grain (which ill split in 1/2). Which should I try? Anyone try both?
I have prescribed natural dessicated thyroid for your patient (Armour, Nature-Throid) because it contains both T4 and T3 (40mcg and 9mcg respectively per 60mg). This assures sufficient T3 levels and thyroid effects in the body. Since NDT has more T3 than the human thyroid gland produces, the well- replaced patient’s FT4 will be below the middle of its range, and the FT3 will be high “normal” or slightly high before the next AM dose.
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